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		<title>By: cperkins</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science is not due respect, much less deference, because one aspect of it involves testability any more than a cat is due respect for having claws and fur. That&#039;s simply part of what science is, like collecting observations to inspire a theory or coming up with a theory that can&#039;t yet be tested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science is not due respect, much less deference, because one aspect of it involves testability any more than a cat is due respect for having claws and fur. That&#8217;s simply part of what science is, like collecting observations to inspire a theory or coming up with a theory that can&#8217;t yet be tested.</p>
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		<title>By: robert_piepenbrink</title>
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		<description>I have not attempted to &quot;prove that literature is worthless or even subjective,&quot; nor would I--mostly--wish to. I HAVE said that the testability of science entitles it to a degree of respect bordering on deference that literature simply doesn&#039;t rate. But science also knows its limits.

If I went to a matalurgist and asked &quot;which is the superior metal?&quot; He would think me insane. He&#039;d happily discuss ductility, tendency toward metal fatique and corrosion and a thousand other traits, and in each case if pressed a test could be devised which would verify--or at lest test--his statement. 

When the literature professor mourns his or her relative lack of prestige, he generally wants to make a statement that no scientist would make--that Book X is &quot;better&quot; than Book Y--and have it be accepted by the students in a way that only testability could justify.

As I said before, when the literature professor says that a particular work influenced later works, is complex in structure, contains many allusions or has a vocabulary of X many words he is, or can be, on firm ground--but he can also be refuted, or at least tested. When he says that Book X is &quot;better&quot; he has made a very diferent kind of statement--one that IS--if not worthless, at least meaningless or subjective.

I wouldn&#039;t pay any attention to that metalurgist if he told me gold was the superior metal either. My boat would weigh too much, and my knife would rapidly dull.

I say again, the price of respect for one&#039;s statements is the possibility of those statements being refuted. A verification system which consists of &quot;all my friends agree with me, so there!&quot; is merely a suggestion that the &quot;loser&quot; find another peer group. 

If you don&#039;t like scientific standards, give me another set under which someone may disagree with and refute the concensus. No Pasteur, no Galileo, no Copernicus, no equivalent respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not attempted to &#8220;prove that literature is worthless or even subjective,&#8221; nor would I&#8211;mostly&#8211;wish to. I HAVE said that the testability of science entitles it to a degree of respect bordering on deference that literature simply doesn&#8217;t rate. But science also knows its limits.</p>
<p>If I went to a matalurgist and asked &#8220;which is the superior metal?&#8221; He would think me insane. He&#8217;d happily discuss ductility, tendency toward metal fatique and corrosion and a thousand other traits, and in each case if pressed a test could be devised which would verify&#8211;or at lest test&#8211;his statement. </p>
<p>When the literature professor mourns his or her relative lack of prestige, he generally wants to make a statement that no scientist would make&#8211;that Book X is &#8220;better&#8221; than Book Y&#8211;and have it be accepted by the students in a way that only testability could justify.</p>
<p>As I said before, when the literature professor says that a particular work influenced later works, is complex in structure, contains many allusions or has a vocabulary of X many words he is, or can be, on firm ground&#8211;but he can also be refuted, or at least tested. When he says that Book X is &#8220;better&#8221; he has made a very diferent kind of statement&#8211;one that IS&#8211;if not worthless, at least meaningless or subjective.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t pay any attention to that metalurgist if he told me gold was the superior metal either. My boat would weigh too much, and my knife would rapidly dull.</p>
<p>I say again, the price of respect for one&#8217;s statements is the possibility of those statements being refuted. A verification system which consists of &#8220;all my friends agree with me, so there!&#8221; is merely a suggestion that the &#8220;loser&#8221; find another peer group. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like scientific standards, give me another set under which someone may disagree with and refute the concensus. No Pasteur, no Galileo, no Copernicus, no equivalent respect.</p>
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